תלמוד על מועד קטן 44:4

¹³⁷This paragraph is copied from Nazir 3:1 (Notes 7–16, ז). Something happened to Rebbi Immi and he shaved on the 30th day. Something happened [to one rabbi] and he shaved on the 31st day¹³⁸The editor’s insert declares the question of the first day when shaving is permitted to be open, different authorities following different rules. The text in Nazir and the scribe’s text here note that R, Immi himself was inconsistent in this matter. S. Lieberman (Tarbiz 3) accepts the editor’s addition as genuine (but more likely would be חד בירבי). The only certain statement is that the Venice text is not a genuine version of the Yerushalmi.. Rebbi Zeriqan said, Rebbi Immi learned this from our Mishnah, as we have stated there¹³⁹Mishnah Nazir 3:2.: “If somebody vowed two neziriot¹⁴⁰If somebody declares himself a nazir without indicating the duration of his vow, it is automatically interpreted to mean that he is nazir for 30 days. If the 30th day could not possibly be a day for shaving, he should be able to shave only on the 62nd day. Therefore if the rabbinic rules for mourning are modelled on the biblical of the nazir, the Mishnah gives support both for the 30th and the 31st as days of shaving by the mourner., he shaves for the first on the 31st day, for the second on the 61st day.” Rebbi Yose said, there after it happened, here from the start¹⁴¹R. Yose criticizes R. Immi. The Mishnah requires the nazir to shave on his 31st day; it only legitimizes shaving on the 30th after the fact. But R. Immi shaved on the 30th on his own initiative. R. Zeriqan seems to hold that what is acceptable after the fact in biblical rules is permitted from the start in rabbinic usage.. Rebbi Jeremiah instructed Rebbi Isaac from Aṭoshia, and some say, Rav Ḥiyya ben Rebbi Isaac from Aṭoshia, to shave on the 30th day, following the Mishnah: “Eight days, the decree of 30 days is waived for him.” The eighth has the same status as the 30th day¹⁴²The argument here goes as follows: If the 8th day of mourning was holiday eve, the mourner can shave in the afternoon in preparation for the holiday. The time elapsed from dawn to the afternoon is counted as a full day for him. Therefore, the person who shaves on the 30th day can nevertheless count the entire 30th day as being part of his mourning period.. Rebbi Yose said, there is a difference; there they permitted in order to honor the holiday. You should know this, since Rebbi Ḥelbo, Rav Ḥuna said in the name of Rav: If his eighth day fell on the Sabbath, he shaves Friday. If you say that they did permit not in order to honor the holiday, then even if his 30th day falls on the Sabbath, he should shave Sabbath eve¹⁴³Nobody permits shaving on the 29th day.. In addition, from what was stated¹⁴⁴Babli 22b. In the Babli and in Nazir this is an Amoraic statement.: “For all deceased he stitches together after seven days and mends after 30.” Why should he not stitch on the seventh day and mend on the 30th day¹⁴⁵For the seven-day period, the mourner is required to wear the garment torn before the burial. He can stitch together the tear after the end of the seven-day period (after 30 days for father or mother) and invisibly mend it after thirty days (never mending invisibly for father or mother.) Why does one not allow stitching or mending on the last day of a period if “part of the day is counted as a whole day”?? Rebbi Ḥaggai said, this has been transmitted in this way and that has been transmitted in that way¹⁴⁶Since one tradition is in from the school of Rav and the other (in the formulation of Nazir) of the school of R. Joḥanan, the two formulations of old (pre-)tannaitic traditions do not have to be coherent..

Does one have to sever the trim³³⁰The double seem which forms the end of the garment at his neck. Rending of garments in mourning starts at the neck.? Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish: David grasped³⁰⁴2K. 1:11.. There is no grasping less than a hand-breadth³³¹Babli 22b.. And tore them, Rebbi Simon in the name of Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: From here that he has to sever the trim³³²In the Babli 26b this is required only for father or mother.. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, even if he heard about his father or his mother, or his teacher who taught him wisdom, he rends one tear for all of them. Rebbi Jehudah ben Tema says, he rends for each one separately, only that he shall not make that for his father or his mother as an addition. Is that not the first {statement}³³³Since R. Jehudah ben Tema only requires that for every deceased there should be a separate action of rending, not that a new tear should be started at the rim of the garment.? But he may not add to that for his father or his mother. Rebbi Ḥelbo and Rav Mattana, Yose ben Manisha in the name of Rav: Practice follows Rebbi Jehudah ben Tema. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, he adds to the tear and rends. How far? Rebbi Ḥanina said, until he reaches to his navel. An old man stated before Rebbi Ze`ira: Even if he receives another garment during all the Seven he is obligated to rend<sup>334</sup>He is not permitted to wear a whole garment during the Seven days of mourning.. Rebbi Ze`ira said to him, this you are saying about other relatives. But for his father and his mother even after the Seven he is required to rend. If a relative died, he rends. If another relative died, he moves three finger-widths and rends. If the front is full he starts in the back. If the upper part is full he starts with the bottom part³³⁵Babli 26b.. If both of them are full, Rebbi Ḥiyya the son of Rebbi Ada from Yafo says, he became shabby³³⁶Since in shabby clothing he is not permitted to lead in prayer, he has to get another garment and rend it..